Someone asked about incestuous couples.
I want to make it very clear that I am opposed to that, just as I am opposed to gay marriage and anyone getting married to someone who isn't the same species as they are.
If a Jewish man wants to marry an Asian woman, then I am fine with that, if a human wants to marry a duck, then I have a problem.
Tobias_Marco's guidelines for who you should be allowed to marry or have children with:
01. You should only have sex with someone you are married to; never have sex with another man's wife or another woman's husband.
02. You should only be married to one person at a time.
03. Nobody else should be in the room with you when you are having sex except your spouse.
04. If you choose to record yourself having sex with your spouse, then only the two of you should ever watch the recording.
05. You should never marry anyone who is already married (kind of already covered this in #2.)
06. You should never marry anyone who is the descendent of any of your great-grand parents.
07. You should not marry or have sex with a step-sibling, you may not be related by blood, but I still say that it is wrong.
08. You should only marry someone the same species as you, yet not the same gender; one human male with one human female, not one human male with one sheep female, or two human males together.
09. They say that opposites attract, however you do need to have a firm foundation of common ground on which to build your relationship, as such I think that you should get to know a person before you even start dating them, make sure that you agree with them one the most important political and religious points. Each of you should have belonged to the same religion for at least 5 years. This will help make sure that you have the same foundation and that you get along more smoothly.
10. As a personal guideline I think that you should not start dating until you are at least 15 and not get married until you are at least 23, this is so that you will have enough experience to make good choices. However this is only my thoughts on the matter, and if you go by all of these save one, I hope you pick this one not to follow.
11. Anyone who is a sex offender should be put to death.
Some of you have said that it is God's place to judge and not ours. Others say that the government should not make laws that force people to follow one religion or another.
It is true that the above rules fit in with the rules that God gave the Israelis in Leviticus, as for forcing other people to follow rules that my religion put in place, well what can I really say to that? Every law has to come from somewhere, there are very good reasons for most of these rules, others have only somewhat good reasons. Perhaps you think that one or two of them are very poorly motivated, or have lousy reasons. I don't care. Nobody is going to read this and make law biased on what is said here, and even if they did, I am only putting forth my views, as I have the freedom to do, in the same way that you have the freedom to disagree with me.
To be clear, the Bible teaches us to hate the sin yet love the sinner, I am not trying to tell anyone that they shouldn't be allowed happiness. I am not going to hate someone for being gay, I hate that they are gay, that is completely different. Its like a mother loving her son, yet hating that he robbed a bank and is now going to jail.
As far as the people in the Bible having multiple wives and concubines, I have looked at these verses and I know that a lot of people, kings especially did this, however I don't see how it would be practical to do it today. I can't even afford my own wife, much less two or three more!
Why do I feel this way? For starters a person is too young to make a good decision before a given point in there life, you wouldn't ask a 4 year old to perform brain surgery, for that same reason I think that it is possible to be too young and too ignorant of the facts to make a commitment like that.
Yes a lot of people would say ewwww to some of these rules being broken, and there is some chance of genetic problems with the children of couples who break some of these guidelines. However there can also be relational problems, believe me I know. My parents got divorced, my brother is having problems in his marriage and I am having problems in mine, and all of this could have been avoided if we paid more attendance to these rules.
Yes people need to be open minded, and yes most of these ideas seem rather close-minded, however there have been studies to support following these rules leads to longer and healthier marriages, especial when it comes to the age difference and having the same belief systems (both political and religious).
Gay marriage does not infringe on anyone's rights and it does nothing to harm society as a whole. Therefore, it should be legal.
Are we really sure about that? Can you really say that it doesn't harm anyone?
When it comes to spanking, they did a study, the happiest and healthiest people are those that grew up with both love and strong boundaries. By spanking or otherwise punishing your children IN A REASONABLE WAY you are drawing the line and letting them know what they can and can't do. I once heard a story about a very free spirited couple that let their children do whatever they wanted. "We don't want to get in their way or hold them back man." I don't remember how the story ended, but I think the kid got hit by a car when he was playing in the street or something.
As for God saying that gay marriage or premarital sex was a sin because they couldn't reproduce, that isn't true. God never said why it was a sin, he just said "This is wrong, don't do it." God intended sex to be a blessing to both people involved, however he also knew that if we have sex with too many people this blessing could mutate into a curse. Take STDs (STIs) for example. If two people are born, one a human male and the other a human female, and both are STD free, then they get married to each other and only have sex with each other then they will not have and STDs.
Before I got married my wife had been with other men, A LOT of other men. Looking back I don't think I should have married someone with that much experience in this area. The reason for that is simple, she is always comparing me to these other guys. The average human penis is a given size, mine is normal, however some of these guys she was with were bigger than normal. There is also the question of circumcision or not, when my wife first saw my penis she was surprised because she had never before seen one that looked like that. My parents had made a choice different from the parents of most of the other men she had been with. Then there is skill level. If a man and a woman don't have sex at all until their wedding night then they are both on the same level and you don't have an 'expert' stuck with a 'beginner'. Another benefit of waiting is this, when you have sex with your spouse you don't need the static of remembering what things were like with that other person, or wishing that they would do that thing that your last partner did, or having you remembering that your first partner really liked it when you did this one trick. If the two of you figure all this out at the same time then you learn what feels good for each other. Sure you have a very small sample size to work with, but you are only trying to please one person, you aren't studying to be a prostitute.
Also, somewhere in the bible there is a line about helping the poor. So, do me a favor:
Go door to door and find out who's christian. If the person is, ask what they have contributed to the poor.
What I'm trying to say is that the number of christians that haven't read the bible, don't follow it's laws, and yet still protest gay marriage is rediculous.
Please, don't get me wrong. There is still a strong amount of bible obeying christians. (User Tobias_Marco is a good example)
First, thank you for the complement. Second, as a Christian I can tell you that all true Christians read their Bibles and follow the laws given in there. Anyone who doesn't isn't really a Christian.
Here is a story to illustrate me point; a woman goes into a bar after work and meets a nice guy, he tells her that he is a doctor. As it turns out she always wanted to date a doctor, and not just because her mother wanted her to. They start dating and they sleep together many times. Then one day she finds out the truth, he isn't really a doctor. In fact he works as a day laborer for minimum wage.
The guy in this story said he was a doctor, yet he wasn't.
Didn't him saying he is a doctor make him one?
NO! NO! NO! A trillion times NO!
In the same way you can't just say that you are a Christian, a Buddhist or a french poodle.
Each of these labels means something. If you want to be a doctor you meed to pass medical school, if you want to be a Christian or a Buddhist then you have to familiarize yourself with the beliefs of that group and follow them.
I once went to the house of a Wicca and listened to him talk about what he believed. I did my very best to show him respect. I didn't yell at him, call him an idiot or a moron. I didn't try to tell him how much better Christianity was. He saw that I am a smart young man and he told me that there was a place for me in his group if I was interested.
I now have a better understanding of what it means to be a Wicca, however that DOES NOT mean that I am one. If I were to call myself a Wicca I would be lying. In order to become a Wicca I would first need to change how true I believed those things to be, and I would change my lifestyle accordingly.
In the same way I understand the ideas behind evolution. If you want I can explain evolution in great detail, and answer all kinds of questions about it. That still doesn't mean that I believe it is true.
Just like you could tell me all about Santa Claus and the North Pole, how he has 8 tiny reindeer, and even list off their names. You could tell me about the elves, and the work shop, yet you don't really believe that any of that is real.
The point is that if you don't read the Bible and familiarize yourself with what it says, than I say you aren't really a Christian. Any true Christian would want to improve their understanding of the word of God, and would read the Bible.
You can't just order someone to follow your beliefs and not their own.
This is very, very true, something that both sides need to understand. I am not trying to order anyone to only date a given way. I am just saying what I believe to be correct. If anyone asks me for dating advice, then this is what I will give them. However I know that they must make their own choices, I can't make your choices for you.
True education, true science, true religion is the search for truth.
Matthew 28:16-20, John 3:14-20