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Mature

Post by s0mbo » Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:57 am

Poland recently passed a law making it mandatory to Castrate Pedophiles, more specifically those that touch children under the age of 15
Their reason for this decision was because their prime minister stated that anyone capable of committing that type of crime was not a human being
What do you think about this?

Personally, i feel that pedophiles should castrated, but not automatically, and i disagree with their reasoning
My theory follows the principle that if someone does not understand that having sex with children is wrong, then they should be treated by a psychologist, but be in a condition in which they cannot harm children, which means that I feel they should be in a mental institution until they can be proven to not have that desire anymore, regardless of whether it is through therapy, medication, or both, or they should have their means to commit their crime removed.
My problem with their reasoning is that his argument has flaws in the fact that it ignores all factors of personhood that should be considered. Personhood should not be defined by a mental ailment, which pedophilia is commonly believed to be caused by, but by a series of factors.
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Re: Mature

Post by Blu » Tue Sep 29, 2009 8:16 am

Paedophiles, in my honest opinion, are victims of their own mental state. A mentally in a person is irreversible and virtually uncureable. Saying that they are not human beings is utterly wrong and cannot be used as a reason for punishment.

Simply viewing childporn should not be punished with use of castration, but the person should be rehabilitated or put under minor supervision. If they perform real offenses, then castration is perhaps the most reasonable answer.

paedphilia is not like a drug addiction, in which you become slowly addicted, but can give it up. Drugs are a supplement, which SUPPLIES the body with feelings, good or bad. A fetish (which paedophilia could be considered as - though more associated with the mentally unstable) is formed from a young age as a function in the brain to trigger arousal. It is not a supplement, but a bodily hormone, that cannot simply vanish.

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Re: Mature

Post by Current » Tue Sep 29, 2009 9:01 am

s0mbo wrote:Poland recently passed a law making it mandatory to Castrate Pedophiles, more specifically those that touch children under the age of 15
Their reason for this decision was because their prime minister stated that anyone capable of committing that type of crime was not a human being
What do you think about this
Just for clarification, do you mean paedophiles as in people sexually attracted to children, or people who are sexually attracted to children and produce child porn/molest children/otherwise hurt kids? It's an important distinction to make. If the first, I'm dead against. It's punishing people for what they are and not for what they do, and it's a mockery of justice. The second, which I think is what is being proposed, is trickier.
I'm still dead against saying that child molesters are not human. Despicable as they are, it's simply not true. Besides, dehumanizing people in the eyes of the public tends to have some rather horrible results. Paedophiles need help, not people forming lynch mobs. Guess which one is more likely to happen when you dehumanize them?
Onto the actual castration, I have mixed feelings, and I'd need to see some studies about the effectivity of the procedure in preventing recidivism compared to other methods. But as of now, I find it against a basic right to body autonomy.
In summary, I'm mostly against it, but I need to look more into the matter when I have the time.
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Re: Mature

Post by s0mbo » Tue Sep 29, 2009 10:55 am

People who harm children directly, meaning only the extreme cases

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Re: Mature

Post by Atlas » Tue Sep 29, 2009 12:30 pm

BluJugganaut wrote:Paedophiles, in my honest opinion, are victims of their own mental state. A mentally in a person is irreversible and virtually uncureable. Saying that they are not human beings is utterly wrong and cannot be used as a reason for punishment.

Simply viewing childporn should not be punished with use of castration, but the person should be rehabilitated or put under minor supervision. If they perform real offenses, then castration is perhaps the most reasonable answer.

paedphilia is not like a drug addiction, in which you become slowly addicted, but can give it up. Drugs are a supplement, which SUPPLIES the body with feelings, good or bad. A fetish (which paedophilia could be considered as - though more associated with the mentally unstable) is formed from a young age as a function in the brain to trigger arousal. It is not a supplement, but a bodily hormone, that cannot simply vanish.
Thats pretty much what I would say.
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Re: Mature

Post by Visser 5 » Tue Jan 19, 2010 9:27 pm

You've got it all wrong, first you Castrate the Pedophiles (using an AK-47), then shot their legs of and let them bleed to death.
Then you feed what is left to the Taxxons.
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Re: Mature

Post by Luna May » Mon Mar 08, 2010 11:52 am

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Re: Mature

Post by Wild Cowboy » Mon Jun 21, 2010 10:22 pm

<I'm going to have to side with Visser 5 on this one.>
<They are still human, but they lost their right to live and are hurting the rest of us with each breath that they take.>
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Re: Mature

Post by nomadsland » Tue Jun 22, 2010 9:56 am

Wild Cowboy wrote:<I'm going to have to side with Visser 5 on this one.>
<They are still human, but they lost their right to live and are hurting the rest of us with each breath that they take.>
Wait, are you seriously advocating that pedophiles be put to death? If so, that is a sick proposition. If pedophilia really is a mental condition, then death is not the appropriate course of action. What these people need is help, and if necessary, a punishment that fits the crime. By your reasoning, harming someone is enough of an offense to punish by death. This is not a reasonable course of action; the punishment should reflect the severity of the crime.
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Re: Mature

Post by Spencer » Mon Jun 28, 2010 8:34 am

I'm not sure where I stand on this. Sexual crimes towards children is a heinous offense, but castration seems extreme, and what of female offenders? You can't castrate a woman. Incarceration and psychological help seems most appropriate, possibly for life.

I just don't know. My opinions will likely become more or less extreme on a weekly basis, this is a sensitive issue, and if there was a way to prevent all child abuse in a humane fasion I would pick that option.